Part VIII: Addressing Common Objections Directly

“But You’re Not in Communion with Rome!”

True. Neither were there many saints during crises:

  • Athanasius during the Arian crisis
  • The Frankish bishops under various antipopes
  • Saint Catherine of Siena, while there were multiple papal claimants
  • Saint Vincent Ferrer

Communion is not an absolute that overrides truth. When “in communion” requires accepting error, the greater good is preserving Truth.

We do not claim to be better than Rome. We claim to be more faithful to what Rome herself taught for 1,900 years. When Rome returns to that teaching, we will joyfully submit.

“Aren’t All These Old Catholic Groups Weird?”

Yes, many are. The Old Catholic Church of Utrecht (after 1889) embraced women’s ordination, same-sex marriage, and Protestant theology. Many American “Old Catholic” jurisdictions are tiny personality cults, fraudulent degree mills, or refuges for problematic clergy Rome defrocked.

We are not those groups.

We explicitly broke with Utrecht in 1910 when they embraced Modernism. We maintain strict doctrinal orthodoxy. We have documented apostolic succession recognized by pre-Vatican II Catholic authorities. We’re not hiding from anything; we’re preserving everything.

How to identify us:

  • Official name: Old Roman Catholic Church, See of Caer-Glow (SCG) Archbishop Primate: Most Reverend John J. Humphreys
  • Bishop of Florida, Primatial Secretary: The Most Reverend D. Edward Meikle
  • Locations: Pinellas Park, Deerfield Beach, Hudson, and Saint Petersburg, Florida, with missions elsewhere

Religious Community:
Oblates of St Augustine
Very Reverend Father Martin Navarro, ObSA
Prior and chancellor of the Diocese of Florida, SCG

“So You Think You’re the Only Real Catholics?”

No. We explicitly deny exclusivity. We see ourselves as:

  • Co-workers with all traditionalists (SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, valid Sedes, etc.)
  • Recognizing validity wherever apostolic succession exists
  • Consider all with valid apostolic succession holding to the de fide portions of the Ecumenical Councils to be members of the One True Church
  • Cooperating with all people of goodwill seeking the Real, True, and Good

The Catholic Church is wherever:

  • The apostolic faith is professed
  • Valid sacraments are celebrated
  • Legitimate pastoral authority exists

We possess all three. So do others, in various degrees of communion with each other. The fullness of the Faith resides in those who maintain the whole Deposit without addition or subtraction.

“What About Married Clergy? Isn’t That Protestant?”

No:

  • Eastern Catholic Churches (in full communion with Rome) have married priests
  • The early Church had married clergy
  • St Hilary, Doctor of the Church, was a married bishop, as were most of the apostles and a number of early popes
  • 1 Timothy 3:2
  • Celibacy is a holy and preferred discipline, but not a dogma

We prefer celibacy. About half of our clergy are celibate. But we won’t reject a genuine vocation because a man is married before hearing the call.

The real question: Why did Rome impose universal celibacy in the 12th century? For both spiritual and temporal reasons. Undivided devotion to keep church property from being inherited by clerical children. But it was never necessary for the validity or even lawfulness of orders.

It’s not “our hill to die on”; we see clerical celibacy as normative.

“How Do I Know Your Orders Are Valid?”

Multiple pre-Vatican II Roman Catholic authorities confirmed it:

  • Addis and Arnold (1917)
  • Attwater (1931, with Cardinal Hayes’s imprimatur)
  • Algermissen (1948, with Cardinal Glennon’s imprimatur)
  • Columban Fathers (1928)
  • Correspondence with Rome, both pre- and post-Vatican II.

Our line of succession:

  1. Utrecht (unquestionably valid since 696)
  2. Bishop Varlet (unquestionably valid Roman Catholic bishop)
  3. Archbishop Meindaerts (1739, never questioned)
  4. Continuous succession through Utrecht
  5. Archbishop Mathew (1908, consecrated by Utrecht)
  6. And unbroken succession via +Shelly to +Humphreys to +Meikle

Rome has never officially declared our orders invalid, only that we’re in irregular canonical standing. Even hostile Catholic encyclopedias and canon law commentaries acknowledge we have valid orders and sacraments.

“What If You’re Wrong About Vatican II?”

Then we’ll have preserved the Faith unnecessarily, and a future pope will welcome us back with gratitude that someone maintained tradition when the majority compromised.

But what if we’re right and those who accommodated to error are wrong? Then they’ve lost the Faith to gain the world. What does it profit a man?

The Pascal’s Wager of Tradition:

  • If we’re wrong: We preserved what shouldn’t have been lost
  • If they’re wrong: They lost what can never be replaced

“Why Not Just Attend an FSSP Parish?”

You should, if that’s available and you’re comfortable operating within the Novus Ordo structure. We’re not competing with approved traditional communities.

But recognize:

  • They exist on a reservation, subject to revocation (as Traditionis Custodes proved)
  • They must maintain public communion with a hierarchy that contradicts tradition
  • They cannot address the deeper crisis of ecclesiology
  • They’re tactical accommodations, not strategic solutions

If you want the Old Mass with no canonical questions, attend FSSP. If you want a jurisdictional home outside the compromised structure, consider us.